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#1 SamLee

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

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BCPA Langar 2012

There's no rest for the wicked, therefore I present to you the next BCPA event of 2012! We are returning to Langar for more cheap competitions, more discounted FS coaching, cheap jumps, the epicness of Shaggys bar and a bonfire at Langar Henge with guaranteed drunkeness!

When: Friday 9th -> Sunday 11th March 2012
Where: Langar Dropzone, Nottinghamshire
What: Come along to find out!

Including...

-> 3-Way FS Competition (£68/Team including camera - £5 extra fee to use pool camera), just a single round, pick your own teams
-> 2 Cessna Grand Caravans (16 jumpers to maximum altitude in 20 minutes!)
-> £17 jump tickets to max altitude all weekend!
-> 2-way FF Competition (£51/Team including camera), just a single round, pick your own teams
-> No accuracy competition, more focus on fun jumps and coaching!
-> Big-ways, tracking dives and fun jumps!
-> Fully stocked bar - very cheap drinks!
-> Bonfire at Langar Henge
-> Drinking games on Saturday night, with FREE DRINKS!
-> Fancy dress theme - BAD TASTE! You know you want to...
-> FS and FF Coaching for just £29 for both slots with no coaching fees - more BCPA discounts!
-> Opportunity for RAPS and AFF progression!
-> Safety Day on Sunday - worth sitting in on!
Why: Because this is what the BCPA does! Langar has hosted some epic BCPA events in the past, and we need your help to top that this year Posted Image

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Event in detail, for the uninitiated...

-> Friday Daytime:
The dropzone will be open and getting there early is a great way of getting some jumps in before it gets busy!

-> Friday Evening:
- Most people arrive.
- Register for event and do kit & docs (latest time TBC). Registration costs £5 (pays for discounted jumps, competition awards, free drinks etc) - find Sam Lee for your wristband.
- Eat off-site, socialise/chill/drink in Langar bar

-> Saturday Daytime:
- Remainder of people arrive
- Rest of registrations/kit & docs from 07:30am. DZ Brief for visitors at 08:45!
- No registration required for the competitions - just submit your video evidence by Sunday at 1pm.
- Then... jumping or else B-cert progression briefs + bad weather activities/competitions

-> Saturday Evening:
- Delicious evening meal usually available in Cafe
- BCPA Ipod DJ's!
- Organised drinking games with FREE DRINKS!
- Bonfire at Langar Henge
- Bad Taste Fancy Dress! Alcoholic prize for the best outfit!

-> Sunday:
- More jumping!
- All competition entries submitted by 1pm, results announced 2pm and awards presented
- Most people leave late afternoon to get back at a reasonable time.

Dropzone Information:
-> Facilities:
- Large camp-site (free)
- Bunkhouse (get there early to reserve a bed!)
- Showers (free)
- Wireless (free)
- Cafe / Full Bar (not free!)
-> Website: http://www.bpslangar.co.uk/
-> Postcode: NG13 9HY

Experienced...
-> 3-way FS competition, and 2-way FF competition:
- Just 1 round, to keep it more accessible
- Pick your own teams, compete properly!
- Special BCPA price for the competition: £17 per slot! (pool camera costs an extra £5)
- Emphasis on fun jumps, so other organised jumps include:
- Tracking dives (beginner & intermediate)
- Organised FS dives (all levels)
- Hoop dives, day at the races & anything else we can come up with!
- FS & freefly coaching available for just £29 per jump! - please try to let me know in advance if you are interested!
- Normal jump tickets: £17
- Kit hire: £15 (including packing)

-> Documents Required: (you should know this by now!)
- Logbook / FAI licence
- BPA membership card
- Reserve docs (and in date!)

RAPS:
Plenty of instructors available.
- Jump Tickets: £40 (including kit hire & packing)

-> Currency requirements:
- Must have done their first jump (unless trained at Langar)
- If less than 3 months: No problem, just refresh on day
- 3 to 6 months: Will require a retrain at own cost.
- More than 6 months since last jump: Will need to go through a full ground school at own cost - not available on this weekend.
- Required documents: Logbook / Initial training card / P6 BPA membership card
...NB: The last two are sometimes retained by your DZ, so make sure you have them before coming!

AFF:
If students plan on doing AFF jumps at Langar and were not trained there, please contact Langar directly for prices and currency requirements.
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#2 SamLee

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

Put the date in your diary now - don't miss out!Posted Image
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

-> Fancy dress theme - BAD TASTE! You know you want to...


For the love of God...
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

Bad taste? If i'm there, i've figured it out already. ;)
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:58 AM

Jase, you can wear the same costume that you wore to Freshers - that was pretty damn horrendous!
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#6 Tricky

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:05 AM

Jase, you can wear the same costume that you wore to Freshers - that was pretty damn horrendous!


PS Jase - I think your shoes are in the Hib Bar.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

I might come as Jakob. I've heard he tastes bad
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

I might come as Jakob. I've heard he tastes bad

I taste of good bacteria I'll have you know!
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:40 PM

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I was speaking to Hannah about this earlier and the more we thought of it the more questions we had. Essentially - why has the accuracy competition been scraped? This competition opened up the competitive side of the sport to a lot more jumpers. It allowed students to compete and win medals, something we all love! Given that you can put an accuracy entry onto the end of another jump I can't see how the one reason I saw for this change (allows more FS coaching) applies. It takes two people to stand in a field with a tape measure granted but surely this is worth it? I personally also think that it opens up the competition to smaller universities which is surely a good thing? Plus, getting people to think about where they're landing is also teaching new skills, another positive?

I was also a bit surprised to see the scrambles format of the 3-way go. Scrambles evens up the playing field a huge amount making the competition much closer. If we are picking our teams then universities are understandably going to put their best 4 forward. Given the other rules in place (and with the removal of the accuracy) it really means that each university only need bring their top 4 people. Nobody else can really hope to compete which is a real shame. Fair enough we earn a point for their attendance but a) big whoop, it's 1 point and b) everybody eligible should be able to compete with a chance of getting points and medals in my view. I also think that because every team has a real chance it makes the competition much more fun. It forces you to jump with people you wouldn't normally, something I look forward to! I can jump with Jakob (though I try and avoid it ;) ) and other Southampton people most weekends, I hardly ever get the pleasure of jumping with people from Warwick and Durham etc! This format also makes it seem much more of a serious competition - was the point of scrambles not be a more light-hearted competition? We all know which groups of 4 are realistically going to place where and so smaller universities are going to struggle to get involved in the points (IMO). The joy of scrambles is that universities that can't put together an experienced 3-way team who jump together a lot still had a chance of picking up valuable points.

This is just my two cents but I would be interested to hear the reasons behind the changes if other people agree and disagree with what I've put.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:11 PM

ditto Matt
I don't understand how getting rid of accuracy will free up more time for FS coaching, the majority of people that I can think of who would be competing in accuracy aren't FS coaches anyway
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:02 PM

I was speaking to Hannah about this earlier and the more we thought of it the more questions we had. Essentially - why has the accuracy competition been scraped? This competition opened up the competitive side of the sport to a lot more jumpers. It allowed students to compete and win medals, something we all love! Given that you can put an accuracy entry onto the end of another jump I can't see how the one reason I saw for this change (allows more FS coaching) applies. It takes two people to stand in a field with a tape measure granted but surely this is worth it? I personally also think that it opens up the competition to smaller universities which is surely a good thing? Plus, getting people to think about where they're landing is also teaching new skills, another positive?


I too was a little disappointed to see the accuracy go- it's the only event which students can enter, and given that one of our club policies is to give free competition jumps, it means they lose out on a free jump.

I do think accuracy should be done on dedicated loads (traffic reasons mainly), though from what I recall this hasn't been the case in the past anyway. If this was the reasoning behind scrapping it to make more time for coaching, why not just do student category accuracy?

I'm more split on the scrambles change- I can see the benefits of both options. Yes, scrambles is a good way to get everyone involved, meet new people etc, but pick your own teams does make it a fairer inter-university competition (i.e. each university gets the points it deserves, and it's not luck of the draw based on who ends up with who in scrambles). As the BCPA grows (particularly if we get BUCS affiliation) I imagine this will become a bit of a trend.

From what I understand though, you can still enter mixed teams, so smaller universities just need to pair up with other uni's? If they have lower experience jumpers, then yes they will get fewer points, but is that not the point of a competition?

I hardly ever get the pleasure of jumping with people from Warwick and Durham etc!


Why would you want to jump with Warwick or Durham? You can always jump with other people after the competition!
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:09 AM

I was speaking to Hannah about this earlier and the more we thought of it the more questions we had. Essentially - why has the accuracy competition been scraped? This competition opened up the competitive side of the sport to a lot more jumpers. It allowed students to compete and win medals, something we all love! Given that you can put an accuracy entry onto the end of another jump I can't see how the one reason I saw for this change (allows more FS coaching) applies. It takes two people to stand in a field with a tape measure granted but surely this is worth it? I personally also think that it opens up the competition to smaller universities which is surely a good thing? Plus, getting people to think about where they're landing is also teaching new skills, another positive?

I was also a bit surprised to see the scrambles format of the 3-way go. Scrambles evens up the playing field a huge amount making the competition much closer. If we are picking our teams then universities are understandably going to put their best 4 forward. Given the other rules in place (and with the removal of the accuracy) it really means that each university only need bring their top 4 people. Nobody else can really hope to compete which is a real shame. Fair enough we earn a point for their attendance but a) big whoop, it's 1 point and b) everybody eligible should be able to compete with a chance of getting points and medals in my view. I also think that because every team has a real chance it makes the competition much more fun. It forces you to jump with people you wouldn't normally, something I look forward to! I can jump with Jakob (though I try and avoid it ;) ) and other Southampton people most weekends, I hardly ever get the pleasure of jumping with people from Warwick and Durham etc! This format also makes it seem much more of a serious competition - was the point of scrambles not be a more light-hearted competition? We all know which groups of 4 are realistically going to place where and so smaller universities are going to struggle to get involved in the points (IMO). The joy of scrambles is that universities that can't put together an experienced 3-way team who jump together a lot still had a chance of picking up valuable points.

This is just my two cents but I would be interested to hear the reasons behind the changes if other people agree and disagree with what I've put.

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Hey Matt,

The two changes are pretty unrelated so I'm going to answer them separately.

Accuracy has been removed from this event (and only this event I might add) given feedback I've received from the last 4 or 5 events where people have complained that ALL they have done at BCPA events is compete, and haven't had time to go fun jumps, and coaches haven't done much coaching as they've felt compelled to compete or film jumps (as coaches are often camera-men as well). As Jack said Accuracy is NOT best done off the back of jumps for safety reasons - quite a lot of Dz's wont allow it and I don't like it - too many people aiming for one place all at the same time can be dangerous. It is always something we can put on if we have cloudbase issues though. I will take your comments into account though and we can do student only accuracy as that doesn't interrupt jumping for anyway else and allows them to participate.

As for the Scrambles, what most people don't realise is that the FS competition was traditionally only ever at the Freshers event, all other events used to be normal competitions like this. It was only during Garrick's year and a half at the competition helm that Scrambles ended up at all events, I think accidentally because he didn't realise how it used to be done. While I agree scrambles are good fun, there are many advantages to doing normal competitions:
- Teams can form prior to the event, meaning we don't need to get everyone together at one point to draw teams (which always seems particularly difficult at Langar events for some reason!).
- Teams can get camera-man before the event, so avoiding the manic running around hunting for a camera-man.
- It is a more representative competition of the abilities of the teams competing.
+ a few more that aren't coming to me at 6am when I really need to go get a shower.

Basically we will have more than 1 scrambles event this year, but not at every event. Accuracy we will consider for each event (the longer events over bank holidays will obviously be easier to have a 3rd competition).

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:14 AM

Accuracy
Why scrap the only competition we can do if the clouds are low? (and we all know what the weather is like at BCPA Events :P)

On the flip-side, I get that it isn't the most appealing of comps, but at Peterlee last year, it wasn't the priority, it was done at the end, once all the other comps were done (or at least that's how I remember it - because that was the end of my weekend for "footwear reasons" Posted Image ). That's how it should work.

Scrambles
I get this (I think?) - we're trying to make the BCPA a little more competitive, a bit more like the US Collegiate competition, right?

What with the FS Clarification (which is a BPA, not BCPA action, remember?) it did make the Scrambles less open.

Still, I'm not sure dedicated 4-way is the right thing for the BCPA. I think its just another way for the rich to get richer, and leave the rest of us doing 4-solos.

</cynical hat>


Manifesto
Assuming I didn't miss a big announcement at Mankix (which is quite possible), was this communicated to the wider BCPA in any way?

Its just this has all come as a bit of a surprise :P

Edit: Just seen Sam's reply

Remember, there's no obligation to enter a competition? If you'd rather be doing fun jumps, crack on.

In fact, if you'd rather be doing fun jumps, you could also be doing it at a more local DZ.

In fact, if you're going to be at a more local DZ, you may as well stay at *your* local DZ.

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Edited by kellja2001, 02 March 2012 - 06:16 AM.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:22 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for voicing concerns, sometimes it feels like no one gives a crap what goes on. There was a bit of thought that went into these decisions and Sam has addressed most of the major points, hopefully I can add a bit more detail.


Scrambles. It was only recently that there was an impression that there had to be a scrambles at every event. There was a fair bit of feedback towards the end of last year people were getting a bit fed up with that format.

Obviously the removal of it instantly forces teams to be mostly made up from one uni and leaves the odd few left over from other clubs. People can however state when they sign up to the event, they are not part of a team but want to take part and can be put on a ‘scramble list’ so to speak which will no doubt also be made up partly from people from big uni’s who arn’t part of their top team(s). This is obviously a basic description but should make some sense and will be made clear for the event...

For uni’s that are competitive it lets them have a better representation of their ability rather than just having random teams. By not being a scrambles event, we also eliminate the need for everyone being signed up by 9am and all meeting so the teams can be sorted. There is no faffing around while waiting for a large group of people to turn up like has happened in the past, teams can be arranged before hand, uni’s can also turn up mid weekend and compete. Logistically, this is easier. The ‘scramble list’ would obviously still require managing but I’m sure something can be worked out.

The point about the erm, controversial, FS clarification has not helped scrambles either. It used to be a great way to include non-fs1’s but sadly, no longer. Providing I can think of something by next week, it will be abit more interesting anyway than a basic boring 3 way draw. FS 4-way will remain reserved for nationals anyway (probably) although the standards of the BCPA compared to a few years ago is coming on leaps and bounds.


Accuracy. Again, we have NOT binned accuracy as a BCPA competition. We didn’t do it at freshers as by the time the weather cleared up,we wanted people to finish the FS comp and we had a whole load of FS coaches lined up ready to go with students. There just wasn’t time. This event we would also like people to get at least one competition FINISHED and there is also the safety day going on which some could agree would be useful for the BCPA!

We can go and do it if cloud base is an issue and the students can still go and do it. The next couple events we have coming up are over bank holiday Mondays so this gives us extra time to do things.


Jason, manifesto? If you are referring to some document that states how the format of each event needs to be run there simply isn’t one.There is a basic set of rules regarding point structures, judging leagues etc but nowhere that states that at each event there is a scrambles, ff comp etc etc. I simply don’t think there needs to be. Major changes such as point changes, introduction of FF again to monthly’s etc are brought up at nationals and are voted in which I agree with but how the events are run often comes down to facilities, weather, time of year and sometimes we like to try and mix things up a little bit to try new things which might or might not work. Having a set of rules wehave to follow would not allow any flexibility.

In regards to communication to the BCPA in a wider way, itis stated at the top of the page in the event description which has been upthere since 27th January. Yes maybe we could have written it in big bold writing but we do presume that people do read most of these things.....

Edited by timmyg, 02 March 2012 - 01:27 PM.
Copy paste from Word lost a load of spaces...

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:56 PM

... but we do presume that people do read most of these things.....


And there's the mistake Posted Image

I think it's clear that plenty of thought went into these decisions, and it's good that a flexible approach is being used.

Just to clarify though, is student category accuracy now planned to go ahead?

Sam: "I will take your comments into account though and we can do student only accuracy as that doesn't interrupt jumping for anyway else and allows them to participate"
Tim: "We can go and do it if cloud base is an issue and the students can still go and do it."

Does "We can" mean "We will"?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:54 PM

Jason, manifesto? If you are referring to some document that states how the format of each event needs to be run there simply isn’t one.


As Sam pointed out, it wasn't much after 6am when we were posting.

"manifesto" is the wrong word, but the point I made is relevant.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting pretty sick of all these "this is how it used to be" clauses, that just seem to appear.

Sure, I bet that was how it used to be 4, 5, 10 years ago. In fact, if I went back far enough, I could find a time when there was no requirement to wear a helmet while skydiving in the UK. That doesn't mean the rule we have now is irrelevant, or worse.

As I said in my brief time as League & Comps, we, as the BCPA do need some kind of document that defines us. Sadly, I was a lot of hot-air rather than being any use (there's a few reasons for this - I won't bore you with them).

I would love to see someone (Tim?) write a document that defines all of our standards, just so in future someone can turn around and go "actually, we need to change this for X, Y and Z" not simply state "oh yeah, we used to do it like this, lets go back to that".

If you want me to see if I have the time, I'm happy to *try* and do this.

There is a basic set of rules regarding point structures, judging leagues etc but nowhere that states that at each event there is a scrambles, ff comp etc etc. I simply don’t think there needs to be.


I respectfully disagree, and I would like to hear what the rest of the BCPA think.

In regards to communication to the BCPA in a wider way, itis stated at the top of the page in the event description which has been upthere since 27th January. Yes maybe we could have written it in big bold writing but we do presume that people do read most of these things.....


This is fair enough, you're right, I didn't read the event description.

I looked at 3 things: the venue; the date; the fancy dress.

Those are my priorities, so I've only really seen this since someone else pointed it out.

And there's the mistake Posted Image


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:30 AM

We are getting a little off topic here so could probably do with moving this to another topic but cba tonight.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting pretty sick of all these "this is how it used to be" clauses, that just seem to appear.


I fully understand with what you mean about 'used to be' comments but in this it swings both ways. "We used to have scrambles at every event" or "we used to not have scrambles at every event". But then again we "used to have accuracy at every event" but the slightest mention of it not appearing at one event and people start to panic. People don't like change and always look back and remember how wonderful the past was or how awesome facebook used to look.....

As I said in my brief time as League & Comps, we, as the BCPA do need some kind of document that defines us.

I would love to see someone (Tim?) write a document that defines all of our standards, just so in future someone can turn around and go "actually, we need to change this for X, Y and Z" not simply state "oh yeah, we used to do it like this, lets go back to that".



Again, I'm not QUITE sure what you mean. We have the stuff written about what the BCPA is about for helping to get your uni club going etc and plenty of documents including the rules that states the principles of our leagues etc. Are you talking about streamlining all this into say a simple 1 page document or something else entirely.

In regards to not having a scrambles I made several points that wasn't just 'we used to do it like this'.


There is a basic set of rules regarding point structures, judging leagues etc but nowhere that states that at each event there is a scrambles, ff comp etc etc. I simply don’t think there needs to be.


I respectfully disagree, and I would like to hear what the rest of the BCPA think.


Well you have kind of quoted me a bit of context there and on its own that statement does sound questionable. I do continue to say how the major factors within the BCPA and essentially how it is run are voted in at the AGM which is important. What I was stating I feel has no place is a document that states exactly how each event must be run. With such a thing I can GUARANTEE the BCPA would be run forever how it currently is and how it always 'used to be run', which you have clearly stated you hated, until such a thing was scrapped/forgotten about and then there would have been no point having it in the first place. With such a document there would be NO flexibility in adjusting events to suit the time of year, the current membership of the BCPA (eg. we may suddenly one year have very few experienced jumpers for some reason), introducing different competitions or even the number of events each year.

At some events (like this one for example) we are putting the accuracy competition for experienced (95% sure it will happen for students will confirm later) on hold. The reasons for this have been stated above. It is a change that may let everyone focus on fewer competitions and allow time for some proper organised fun jumping as well rather than JUST a weekend of comp jumps since we are only just getting back longer jumping days (which VERY often happens at BCPA events, some people only ever do their comp jumps and have no time for some 'fun'.) It is a bit of flexibility that will hopefully improve the event. It may or may not work but without trying it, we won't know. If we were forced into having this comp EVERY event we would have no opportunity to find out.


Things I am FAR more concerned about is fewer numbers at the smaller BCPA events. Last year it started feeling like a bit of a joke where at sibson, nethers and peterlee, all that turned up was warwick, soton, bath and couple others. For the Peterlee event we even moved it so it didn't clash with the vector festival that a load of Durham jumpers went to and they still didn't turn up! Even Nationals was much less attended than in previous years. Now there may be a number of reasons for this (clubs rise and fall, distances to events) but Freshers always has around 100+ people going to it so clearly people are out there. So why do they not come to other events? We need to be able to slightly adjust some events to keep them appealing and not the same old routine trek up the country, do a 3 way, try to land on a cross, get very hungover, go home.

Or do I need to worry about being stoned for blasphemy and/or being burnt tied to a stake on the Langar bonfire.....
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:07 AM

We are getting a little off topic here so could probably do with moving this to another topic but cba tonight.



I fully understand with what you mean about 'used to be' comments but in this it swings both ways. "We used to have scrambles at every event" or "we used to not have scrambles at every event". But then again we "used to have accuracy at every event" but the slightest mention of it not appearing at one event and people start to panic. People don't like change and always look back and remember how wonderful the past was or how awesome facebook used to look.....



Again, I'm not QUITE sure what you mean. We have the stuff written about what the BCPA is about for helping to get your uni club going etc and plenty of documents including the rules that states the principles of our leagues etc. Are you talking about streamlining all this into say a simple 1 page document or something else entirely.

In regards to not having a scrambles I made several points that wasn't just 'we used to do it like this'.



Well you have kind of quoted me a bit of context there and on its own that statement does sound questionable. I do continue to say how the major factors within the BCPA and essentially how it is run are voted in at the AGM which is important. What I was stating I feel has no place is a document that states exactly how each event must be run. With such a thing I can GUARANTEE the BCPA would be run forever how it currently is and how it always 'used to be run', which you have clearly stated you hated, until such a thing was scrapped/forgotten about and then there would have been no point having it in the first place. With such a document there would be NO flexibility in adjusting events to suit the time of year, the current membership of the BCPA (eg. we may suddenly one year have very few experienced jumpers for some reason), introducing different competitions or even the number of events each year.

At some events (like this one for example) we are putting the accuracy competition for experienced (95% sure it will happen for students will confirm later) on hold. The reasons for this have been stated above. It is a change that may let everyone focus on fewer competitions and allow time for some proper organised fun jumping as well rather than JUST a weekend of comp jumps since we are only just getting back longer jumping days (which VERY often happens at BCPA events, some people only ever do their comp jumps and have no time for some 'fun'.) It is a bit of flexibility that will hopefully improve the event. It may or may not work but without trying it, we won't know. If we were forced into having this comp EVERY event we would have no opportunity to find out.


Things I am FAR more concerned about is fewer numbers at the smaller BCPA events. Last year it started feeling like a bit of a joke where at sibson, nethers and peterlee, all that turned up was warwick, soton, bath and couple others. For the Peterlee event we even moved it so it didn't clash with the vector festival that a load of Durham jumpers went to and they still didn't turn up! Even Nationals was much less attended than in previous years. Now there may be a number of reasons for this (clubs rise and fall, distances to events) but Freshers always has around 100+ people going to it so clearly people are out there. So why do they not come to other events? We need to be able to slightly adjust some events to keep them appealing and not the same old routine trek up the country, do a 3 way, try to land on a cross, get very hungover, go home.

Or do I need to worry about being stoned for blasphemy and/or being burnt tied to a stake on the Langar bonfire.....


Tim, you said exactly what I was thinking.
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#19 Jason Kelleher

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:49 AM

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Probably one for a PM tbh.

Edited by kellja2001, 03 March 2012 - 09:53 AM.

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#20 bemment

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I respectfully disagree, and I would like to hear what the rest of the BCPA think.


Quite frankly, I think you're chatting shit.


The events have always had their own spin. I remember one year at freshers we had a creeper competition for league points because the weather was cack. Should we put that one in your magna carta? I hear this year at BCPA Langar there's going to be a comp with flips and rolls as inters! That will make for an awesome bar tape.

If our long awaited BUCS acceptance comes off, in my opinion the only proper way to run the comps in line with other uni sports (i.e. the requirements for regular competition fixtures etc) would be a UKSL-style league of 4-way and FF meets which could no doubt coincide with BCPA meets. Even under the strict BUCS rules, your 'manifesto' becomes the one-liner 'We will run 4-way and FF comps at each BCPA meet following IPC Rules.' Unless you believe BUCS Cricket read out the unabridged laws of cricket and require 57% of the membership to sign a written affidavit in triplicate to confirm their understanding of LBW before each game. I think not.


Until then, committee, you're doing an awesome job, keep mixing it up :thumbs:
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